Macy Gray is going from The Id to ick.
On Monday, July 4, the Grammy-winning singer was a guest on Piers Morgan Uncensored, where she spoke with the host about a number of topics including American patriotism, racism, and trans athlete bans.
"We're in an era now where most public figures are too terrified to say what a woman is," Morgan tells Gray during their conversation. He then asks her to define what a woman is and Gray responds: "I would say a human being with boobs, you have to start there," before adding "and a vagina."
Morgan switches to the subject of trans athletes, prefacing with that he supports "all trans rights to fairness and equality, but not when you have people born to obvious physical superior bodies transitioning, and then thrashing the women at their sports" — which Gray says she "totally agrees with."
But the "I Try" singer responds with her own remarks: "I will say this, and everybody is going to hate me, but as a woman, just because you go change your parts doesn't make you a woman. If you want me to call you a her, I will because that's what you want — but that doesn't make you a woman just because I call you a her and just because you got a surgery."
"Women go through a completely unique experience, and going through a surgery or finding yourself doesn't change that," Gray continues. "Being a little girl is a whole epic book you know? You can't have that just because you want to be a woman."
"But it's the truth. I don't think you should be called transphobic just because you don't agree," she adds.
And of course, it didn't take long for Harry Potter author, and noted TERF, J.K. Rowling to insert herself into the conversation, joking that she had just bought Gray's entire back catalog of music.
After receiving backlash for her remarks on Morgan's show, Gray stood by her comments, tweeting that she is an admirer of the LGBTQ community, but "'woman' is a title that you earn and become."
Gray is just the latest celebrity to spout anti-trans views over the July 4th holiday weekend. Stage and screen icon Bette Midler tweeted to the "women of the world" that "we are being stripped of our rights over our bodies, our lives and even of our name!"
Raquel Willis, activist, writer, and host of Logo's Trans Youth Town Hall, responded to these comments by tweeting: "The funny thing is TERFs love to claim that trans women want to be them so bad, but like baby, no one wants to be that insecure and threatened."
"Macy Gray was right about one thing. Surgery didn’t make me a woman.," Willis continued. "I was one long before I even had access to my medical transition and even if I never had it I’d still be who I am."