Interview: Boy George on Lady Gaga, Madonna, Adele and Much More!
Boy George first garnered international fame in the early
80’s as the “androgenius” front man of New Romantic outfit Culture
Club. With his soulful voice and dragamuffin appearance, he won over
a generation of fans with singles “Do You Really Want to Hurt Me?,” “Time (Clock
Of The Heart),” and “I'll Tumble 4 Ya,” which famously made the group the
first since the Beatles to achieve three top 10 hits from a debut album. “Karma
Chameleon” off their next LP, spent three weeks at number one and became their
signature track. The group would sell over 100 million singles and 50 million
albums.
Although Boy George eventually went solo and achieved a Top
20 hit with 1992’s “The Crying Game,” a Grammy nomination for 1999’s “When Will
You Learn,” and a Tony nod for his Taboo musical, he’d become more famous for
being infamous. News of his previous tempestuous relationship with
Culture Club drummer Jon Moss, drug problems, criticisms of other celebrities
and 2007 arrest and later incarceration for assault and false imprisonment of a
male prostitute, overshadowed his musical output in most people’s minds.
But now, after a five month stint in the slammer, a guest
spot on Mark Ronson’s single “Somebody to Love Me,” and a 35-date European
tour, a drug-free George is ready to seize the spotlight again — as an artist — with his first full-length in a decade, the uplifting, 16-track, electronic
album Ordinary Alien, out this month. There is also a Culture Club
reunion planned for 2012, which promises longtime fans a new album and tour.
AfterElton.com
recently caught up with a calmer, gentler George to discuss among other things
his new album, the Culture Club reunion, and perhaps his greatest legacy,
making it OK for young boys to wear makeup.
AfterElton.com:
So what is the significance behind the Ordinary Alien album title?
Boy George: Well,
it doesn’t have a major significance, but I do think of myself as an ordinary
alien. People seem to have weird ideas of who I am, because so much crap
has been written about me, some true and some not. But Ordinary
Alien sums me up. I’m the alien you can take home to your
parents. I’m weird but not as weird as people think I am. It’s just
a cute title that explains things about me.
many Fleetwood Mac songs to choose from, why that one?
BG: What happened
is I was invited to do ‘Night of 1000 Stevies’ in New York and spent three weeks going through
every Stevie song and every Fleetwood Mac song, but couldn’t find one that I
thought I did well. There’s a lot of music that was so well done,
and I thought, ‘Oh god, do I dare do these songs?’ The night of the event, I
was a bit nervous, so I thought, ‘Why not try to do a song reggae style,’ and
the original cover was done as a reggae track. That’s how we
started and it worked like this — it suited the song and it’s such a brilliant
song. If I could choose, I would have written it as a reggae track.
AE: You also cover soul artist Terry Callier’s "I Don’t
Wanna See Myself." Does that sentiment apply to you?
BG: I love it
because it’s a spiritual song, but it doesn’t knock you over the
head. It’s spiritual, but it’s light of mind. It’s a song about
looking in the mirror. There are plenty of times that I do that
metaphorically, but not physically.
AE: When you do look in the mirror, after the makeup is
washed off, what do you see?
BG: I never do
that. I don’t wear
makeup all the time anyway. Now I see the real difference when I’m
not, because when I put it on, that’s a responsibility — becoming that
person. Different things happen to me when I look
different. It makes people behave differently and I get more
attention. I’m becoming aware of the responsibility.
Makeup is an
amazing invention and I like what it can do, but it does not dictate my life as
it did when I was 19. Most of the time, I’m not dressed
up. I use it for special occasions, like going to a party or
performing. But I don’t feel obliged to be that
person. There is no pressure to do that anymore. Of course I don’t
like it when people stick cameras in my face when I’m not done up, which
happens from time to time. So if I go somewhere public, I paint
myself up. When I’m not, I try to lead as normal a life as I
can. It takes practice, but I do.
AE: Your ability to channel so much light and optimism into
your music might surprise fans since your personal life is often portrayed as
plagued by darkness.
BG: I think
people make mistakes, but because of a few bad headlines, they think my life is
a disaster. But I grab a smile from every corner and if there was no
positivity there, then I could not get through that stuff. With no humility or
sense of perspective, how could I survive that stuff? Even people who think
they’re not spiritual, in difficult situations, they’re praying and relying on
a higher power. People should not think that my life has always been
a drama. There is a lot of positivity. Most of the time, it’s like
that, and those qualities are important … maybe they’re my saving grace.
AE: Are you able to enter the U.S. to tour the new album?
BG: Not at the
moment, but we’re working on it. My lawyers are trying to deal with that as we
speak. I’ve paid for my mistakes, and I came and swept up New York. I could have decided
not to do it, but I did it, because I want to work and play in America. If
you try to do the right thing, you have to be able to get on with your life.
Rehab is about bringing people back to their rightful place. You
have to let someone get on with what they do. But I’m optimistic. I
hope it will be resolved.
AE: Do you miss America?
BG: Yeah, I have
a lot of friends all over America,
but now a lot come over here and that’s great. But New York is one of my
favorite places. I do miss it.
BBC Radio 1’s play list as part of Mark Ronson’s new single "Somebody to Love
Me." How did that collaboration come about?
BG: Mark came
along at a very pivotal time for me. I was just starting to work
again, so the timing couldn’t have been better. He is good
with picking the right projects and finding the right kind of chemistry with
artists. I was also really shocked by how much he knew about
me. He really did his homework. You know he interviewed
me for Interview Magazine. Afterwards, I called a friend, and said
that maybe I should call him, and she said, ‘He just called yesterday and asked
for your number.’
AE: Is it true that you were previously banned from the
station?
BG: I’m not sure
if I was officially banned, but they did not play what I did. It’s
the thing you hear a lot from older artists, that ‘You’re not relevant’ or ‘not
our demographic.’ Maybe it’s true, but who cares? I’ve lived without
Radio 1 play for so long, and it doesn’t dictate what I do. I
DJ and do my own kind of music. I have my own little corner, which
is bigger or smaller depending on what I do.
But as long as I’m
working, I’m not going to worry about minor details. If I get to
make another album, it’s all good. I don’t expect
anything. Someone asked me on Twitter if the new album is on the
chart, and I thought, ‘What’s a chart?’ Then I checked and thought, ‘How funny,
it is on the chart.’
Because I work all over the world, I don’t worry about the UK. They
have a funny attitude towards older artists. In America, they have more respect for vintage acts
and the rest of Europe is very
different. In the UK, it’s said that ‘We kill our own
and eat our young,’ but it would be better to say that ‘We eat our old.’ But
I’ve never stopped working and have always done my own thing. Things
like charting are kind of a bonus.
AE: Will you be recording the new Culture Club album with
Ronson?
BG: Maybe we’ll
do some writing with Mark. But I’m looking to do something more elder statesman
and not a pop record. Our instincts are more
sophisticated. We can’t compete with the Britneys, but there’s a
record that we never made. We want to do something timeless that has
nothing to do with what’s trendy now. My favorite artist in the UK is Adele,
because her music is classic songwriting that could have been written 20 years
ago.
AE: What’s next for Culture Club?
BG: We’re doing a
big showcase in October in the UK. We
are talking about doing an album and want to concentrate on that, but we’ll
see, because when everyone gets together, it becomes its own
entity. But I do have a few ideas about what I want to do.
AE: You were so avant-garde as part of Culture Club yet
somehow you managed to appeal to mainstream audiences — everyone from toddlers
to grandmothers. Why do you think that was?
BG: I don’t know.
Sometimes I do shows and there are 80-year-old women in the audience, and I do
not know what I did to deserve this. But I’ve never been about
alienation. I’m not some Goth in my room, painting my nails and
hating the world. Growing up, I struggled to fit in several times and
not feel alienated. But sometimes I think, ‘Who’s my audience?’ I
really don’t know and am always surprised by the mixture of people. In
my life, no matter what, people have been really sweet. Some
people still snicker at me if I’m dressed up, but people across the board are
very warm to me. Maybe it’s because what you see is what you get,
and people appreciate that. But I am very grateful.
AE: Do you think that your solo material hasn’t been as
commercially successful in the U.S.
as your Culture Club material because by the late 80’s it was common knowledge
that you were gay and a drug user?
BG: I really
don’t know. I can’t answer that question. When you’re on the ladder, if you
fall off, it’s hard to get back on it. My hardcore audience has always been
there for me. Very few people maintain that. I don’t know if I’ve
ever had the passion about my career. It’s not as important to me to go jogging
and fight tooth and nail to have a career. I’ve always worked, but
you can’t always be what you were. But I’ve been there and it’s
overrated.
I like where I am now, but I do not have Madonna’s tenacity when it
comes to my career — to have fought tooth and nail to be uber
professional. That’s the difference; I’ve never been uber
professional. I do value my career, but a different type of
career. I appreciate it in a way I never have before. It’s not about
being successful, but success means different things to different
people. For some, success is where everyone knows your name, but for
me it’s the personal success that’s more important — to be focused and healthy
and appreciate things in a different way now.
AE: It’s great to hear you compliment Madonna, because
there was a period of time when you were pretty critical of her (along with
Elton John) in the press, saying that she’s despicable and a traitor to her gay
fans for subscribing to a homophobic religion.
BG: I do shudder
when I read some of the things I’ve said, like ‘What were you
thinking?’ So now I don’t talk unless I have something interesting
to say. But I think it was more a reflection of how I felt
about myself and so it would come out as a projection. I had no
right to do it. It was quite beneath me. I really don’t
look back on it with pride. When I say funny things, I stand by them, but
I’d never say anything like that again.
AE: Speaking of Madonna, did you ever notice that Madonna’s
1992 "This Used to Be My Playground" video is stylistically almost identical to
your late 80’s "To Be Reborn" video? And speaking of imitation, where do you
weigh in on the criticism that Lady Gaga’s "Born This Way" rips off Madonna’s "Express Yourself"?
BG: My video was
directed by [fashion photographer and music video director] John-Baptiste
Mondino, but Madonna’s was the one people remember. When it came out, I called
it "This Used To Be My Video." Lady Gaga is very Madonna; she loves
her and has never denied it. If you’re Lady Gaga, then Madonna is an
important reference — and she’s talked about me as well. She’s
never shied away from it and would love to be on the same
level. There’s a legitimate reference point, but I’ve heard people’s
melodies in other people’s songs for years.
AE: In your A&E Biography, a commentator stated that
your most lasting legacy is that you made it OK for young boys to wear
makeup. How do you feel about that honor?
BG: I think it’s
not just about makeup. It’s also not just gays, it’s anyone who felt
off or outside or excluded, which was always what [Culture Club] was
about. It’s not specifically a gay thing; it’s the little girls who
didn’t fit in, anyone who ever felt alienated, anyone who ever felt they could
not join in or who was made to feel like outsiders. Lady Gaga has
said she felt like a freak — she felt like me, trying to fit in — but no
matter what I did, I did not feel part of that, so in creating my own little
world and making music, anyone who felt like an outsider related to me.
AE: I imagine that a lot of fans must tell you that on a
daily basis.
BG: People are
always saying, ‘Thank you for helping me be who I am,’ — transsexuals, drag
queens — which is more important than anything else. It’s more important now
than ever, because things have really gone full circle. It’s a
right-wing mentality all over again. The 80’s has gone back on
itself and we have a lot of battles left to fight.